Stewart Rhodes and Katelyn Mervar Interview

I had a conversation with Katelyn Mervar, a friend, Jan 6th activist, author of the illustrated book Magamouse to the Rescue, and host of Magamouse.com, and Stewart Rhodes, Founder of The Oathkeepers and a Jan6th Political Prisoner..  

We're talking about Katelyn's efforts to get President Trump to fully pardon the remaining Jan 6th prisoners, like Stewart, who have only been commuted, thus not having their full rights restored.

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So once again, there's a war going on for control of America and you and it's spiritual warfare. It's a struggle to enslave mankind and it's been going on since before we arrived on this planet.

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So how do we fight back? We get organized, preferably in a good church. We go to court, we educate our neighbors, we support those who take the battle to the enemy and we support those who do that by running for office. Those that support Godly values and then we make sure they do. And then we arm ourselves intellectually. We learn the facts and then we make wise decisions by that and we explain them to others. We arm ourselves physically. We get a gun. Learn to use it. Be prepared to defend yourself and your family and your nation. That's a Christian principle. People don't realize it, but it is as William Federer’s told us.

And then arm yourselves spiritually once again. Find a good church. Join with others in prayer for our nation.

Psalm 1 44. Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.

Please clasp those hands and those fingers and let's pray. Let's go to war. Father, please lead us and guide us as we seek to protect this nation. Please help us protect our heritage and the rights that you have given us from evil, conspirators, thieves, traitors, tyrants. Please bring these enemies of good and sound morals to a place of repentance. And if they will not repent, please remove them utterly from our presence and that position of power. Amen. 

Well, joining us today are Katelyn Mervar, who is of course Maga Mouse, friend of the show. Been on numerous times normally regarding January 6th issues, and also joining us concerning January 6th issues is Stewart Rhodes and he's the founder of the Oath Keepers and he's one of the 14, how many is it Katelyn?

Katelyn Mervar(03:57):

Yeah, there were 14 that were commuted by President Trump but not yet pardoned.

Ed Bonderenka (04:02):

Yes. And what happened was I was thinking I was going to have to do this show solo and just kind of read the news or something. I didn't have a guest. And then Katelyn sent me a text, reminded me that we need to pray and there's a campaign she has going on. Is it a postcard campaign?

Katelyn Mervar(04:21):

Yes,

Ed Bonderenka (04:21):

Go ahead. Yes,

Katelyn Mervar(04:22):

We did one for Jeremy Brown, the J six whistleblower as well, and he is now Scott free. He's free, thank you. Everyone who participated. And so we're doing another one for the remaining 14. It's now remaining 12 J six Patriots whose sentences were commuted by Trump but not yet pardoned. And they need to pardon? So they can go back to their normal lives as normal. David Michelle's the one I've been working with. He's a father of three young kids and he works in the healthcare field, but he cannot go back and do his regular job until he's pardoned by Trump. So right now he's working in construction and it just doesn't pay the bills. So we need to help these remaining patriots make it across that freedom line.

Ed Bonderenka (05:04):

Yes, exactly. And so then I thought, well, great. I'll have Katelyn on and we'll talk about this campaign. I want to promote it. I'm all about this. I think the January 6th, I don't care, frankly at this point, nobody was killed by a January 6ther. Some things were done and we're not even clear who did what things. And then a lot of people got swept up and it's about time that we just let it go. If Joe Biden can pardon his criminal enterprise and a gazillion other criminals associated with him, then it's about time that Trump pardon everybody involved in January 6th and the pro-life protestors like Eva Etl, that 80-year-old grandmother that goes to prison for praying in front of an abortion clinic. This is wrong. And we need to fix these things and we need to restore full privileges to these other Patriots like Stewart, who we have with us today. So Stewart, I like to have our guests, and we've let Katelyn do this before, so we're going to ask you to do it. Tell us about yourself. Where did you grow up? How did you grow up? What was your career choice and how did you end up with the Oath Keepers?

Stewart Rhodes (06:31):

Well, I founded Oath Keepers in 2009. My prior, I was a paratrooper in the Army until I was disabled in a rough train, parachuting accident. I've been a volunteer firefighter and I'm a Yale Law School graduate. But I lost my faith in our legal system long ago, and that's why I started Oath Keepers in 2009. I realized that the political class, legal class, in fact, all the elites in this country are corrupt. And I think most of the people listening to your show now understand that. And so that's what we were doing on January the sixth was protesting against a stolen election and that election was stolen and we were there to do security. We were there to do security for two permitted events on capitol grounds in sharp contrast to the actual criminals that you talked about earlier who are pardoned by Biden. We are innocent.

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In fact, 14 of us who received commutations are innocent men who refused to bend the knee, refused to plead guilty under pressure of life imprisonment. That's what they threatened us all with. I was in solitary confinement when I got a nasty letter from the prosecution saying that they're going to seek life imprisonment. And by the way, you only have 10 days, whatever it was to make a deal. They were trying to coerce this. That's the whole point of putting us in solitary. I spent over a year in solitary confinement. Oh yeah. So when it comes to January the sixth, what I say is that President Trump was absolutely correct in pardoning everyone. He should have pardoned absolutely everyone because of the presumption of innocence. You're in America, you're supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty in front of an jury of your peers, in front of an impartial judge where you have actual due process and your rights are protected.

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None of that happened for any of us. And so it's ridiculous for anyone to say, well, president Trump shouldn't pardon those who were violent that day. How do you know they were violent? Were they convicted of being violent in front of an impartial jury? The answer is no. So he was completely correct in pardoning everyone. I don't know why the 14 of us who were given commutations only were set aside from all the others. It's an injustice. I don't blame President Trump for that, and I'm grateful for being out of prison, but I blame someone in his circle. I think someone in his circle, some lawyer thought it was somehow a good idea to not give us full pardons. And so now still, I'm a felon, just like President Trump's a felon in New York. It's absurd, everybody. It is as absurd as his felony. But I can't own a firearm any longer and I could no longer be buried in veteran cemetery. Those of us who are veterans got nasty letters from the VA letting us know that all our disability payments are now I'm a disabled vet, service connected. I earned that with my life almost. But that's been wiped out. And the same goes for all the other veterans. So that's the injustice we're living under right now.

Ed Bonderenka (09:28):

Yeah, exactly. And I've been, how do I put this? I've thought for a long time that once you serve your term and you're done, your rights should be restored. You've paid your quote debt to society. And I remember watching movies when I was a kid and the outlaw gets out of prison, they give his pistols back. They've been 10 years older. Later he gets his pistols back and he walks away. That's interesting. But

Stewart Rhodes (10:04):

That's how used to be. That's historic reality. Yeah, yeah,

I agree. I think it's ridiculous. Aside from J six, I think it's wrong that a man who, like you said, if you've done your time and you get out and you have your right to story when you walk out of prison, they don't tell you, you can no longer use a typewriter. They don't curtail your ability to use free speech unless you're a J six or then you can't have an X account. I'm suspended on X right now. But my point is that I agree. I think you should have your right to the story. In fact, I think I was just giving a speech here in Dallas just yesterday, and I said, the men I see in prison what I see, there are men that are wasted manhood. They should be put in the military. They should be given an opportunity to serve their country. That's the best way for them to achieve redemption is don't treat them like a second class citizen or someone that's permanently damaged. Give them an opportunity to prove themselves with military service. That's what I believe should be done. And then once they've done that, then they should have all their rights completely restored. I agree.

Ed Bonderenka (11:07):

Yeah, exactly.

Stewart Rhodes (11:08):

But as for me, I'm innocent. I was never a felon. I was never actually a criminal. It is just disgusting injustice to have what happened to us continue on with this taint of being a felon. My entire life I've been law abiding. My only priors were speeding tickets. And yet from day one of my arrest, I was presumed guilty and kept in solitary confinement from the day of my arrest all through pretrial during trial and then after trial to attempt to coerce me into turning on President Trump. So that's the other thing is you don't live in a free country. People think they're free. They're really not Any prosecutor who wants to can grab any one of you. It can be done to anyone. They can take you and strip you of your rights, put you in chains, dragged you in front of a magistrate who will then deny you pretrial release because they consider you somehow a danger society based on the accusation alone. That's the reality in America now. And it became clear with the J six persecutions, but it's been that way for a long time.

Ed Bonderenka (12:10):

I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to play the devil's advocate here. Okay. And I can ask this because I believe you'll have a correct answer for, we haven't pre-practiced this, but I was reading the Wikipedia account on you basically. And there was a point here where it says, for two months after the 2020 United States presidential selection, Rhodes encouraged his supporters to reject Joe Biden as the incoming president. I don't have a problem with that. Rhodes spoke of a need to take up weapons to prevent Biden's inauguration and launch. They said

Stewart Rhodes (12:40):

That that's complete nonsense. I mean, that's what I mean. So they twist what you say into a lie and then they further that lie. That's the false narrative of J six, is that we went there to overthrow democracy, we went there to protest, and we were there to protect other protestors. That's it. We left our guns in our hotel room. If I had actually wanted to overthrow Congress, take over Congress that day, I would've brought weapons. We would've brought explosives. We would've been a very different day. It's frankly an insult to my competency as a fighter, as a soldier to suggest that that was my plan, was to leave our guns in our hotels and then send guys unarmed into the capitol to go and do a prayer circle and then try to help cops. This is what they did that day and that's my plan 20 minutes after Congress recessed.

(13:27):

It's just complete garbage. But that's the thing is that the reality is over here and then over here is the false world that they've created and they stick to that false script all the way through to this day. They keep parroting with the big lie. Same thing they do to President Trump. The same thing they do to the MAGA movement. It's all a stack of lies. They condemned you all as racist. You're all fascist, you're all Nazis. Trump's a dictator. It's the same nonsense over and over again. So I don't give any credence to anything Wikipedia says about me at all. I don't care. I couldn't tell you what's on that page. I won't go look at it. I wouldn't want to look at that.

Ed Bonderenka (14:05):

I know the Wikipedia is suspect

Stewart Rhodes (14:08):

Suspect. It's a propaganda machine right there along with M-S-N-B-C.

Ed Bonderenka (14:12):

Well, the sense is there are some things I can trust Wikipedia on, and I think there's a broad amount of things that you can go to Wikipedia and read about and say, yes, that's true. Electrons do spin around the nucleus and they might, who knows what for now,

Stewart Rhodes (14:27):

For now. But eventually two plus two equal five. Look at science, look at biology. They're already monkey with biology, right? We can't tell you what a woman is. I can't define that. It's just garbage. Pardon me for being so cynical, but I'm fed up.

Ed Bonderenka (14:45):

I can't blame you. I can't blame you. I have a close family member who feels very much as you. Having spent time in similar situations, federal prison and well, unfortunately, it was something he actually did and he's repented, came out of it improved,

Stewart Rhodes (15:01):

But well, if he came out improved, it wasn't because of anything BOP did for him. I'm guaranteeing you that it's something he did for himself.

When I was in prison, it was up to us. We had a real strong pastor, a really good pastor, a good chaplain thankfully. But it was up to us to better ourselves and to help other men. I served as a GED instructor, adult reading instructor, and also a suicide watch companion made sure that was busy helping others. That's the other thing that you have to do.

You got to Stay positive and you got to have a spirit of service. If you don't and you wall in your own bitterness and anger, it's a very dark path. And I've seen a lot of guys in prison go down a very, very dark road. They wound  up in addiction. They wound up being suicidal. So it's a tough fight. And frankly, being free is hard too because the taints still there. We're not fully free yet. But even for the ones that were pardoned, I know Robert Moore is a good, good friend of mine, ranger Vet. They've stripped removed his credentials to teach in Pennsylvania. They don't care. He was pardoned by President Trump. They're still persecuting him. They're still trying to cancel him.

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So what this is is it is Chinese social credit score coming to America. That's what this is. And that's the thing is the left took the mask off. They are communists, they're totalitarians, and they will not be satisfied with your submission. They'll continue to crush you. So the more you sit down and shut up because you're afraid, and I'm talking to you, I'm talking to anybody out there in the audience. If you're afraid to speak up because you're afraid you'll get canceled, all you're doing is helping the enemy. What you need to do is stand up and be strong. If you're not, you're going to lose everything eventually. They'll take everything from you. Go look at the history of communism in the world and that's what you're going to get. They won't stop unless you stop 'em.

Ed Bonderenka (16:53):

Yes. So let me ask you about Oath Keepers itself. How did you come? I remember back in the day seeing, I think it was on Facebook and different other platforms, I was tempted to join Oath Keepers just typically, I'm not a joiner. So how did you come to found, I know what your impetus was, but how did that all work? Tell me about the beginnings of Oath keepers.

Stewart Rhodes (17:18):

Well, I realized I worked for the Ron Paul campaign in 2008, and when I realized that the nomination was stolen from him, the same kind of corruption we saw, we've seen it now multiple times. But that was the corruption inside the GOP itself. And I realized we were in trouble, whether it was John McCain or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton back then, at the time when I first conceived of it, I didn't know who was going to be the Democrat nominee, but I knew they were all oath breakers. So I knew I wanted to focus on

Ed Bonderenka (17:47):

What's the Oath let's review the oath.

Stewart Rhodes (17:50):

If you swore an oath support  of Constitution in military service and police, it's a requirement of your office. It's in the Constitution itself. So in Article six, that's the whole point of oath Keepers is those of us who swore an oath for the military or police forces. We wanted to make sure that we honor that oath, which is simply to defend the constitution against all these foreign, domestic. And so we encouraged constitutional education among police officers and military. We saw during Hurricane Katrina, yet police officers being brought from all over the country to help during the hurricane who ended up violating the rights of the people of New Orleans by following unlawful orders to confiscate guns. They went house to house confiscating guns because they were told to, because you had an anti-gun left,  chief and mayor who put the order out, and these cops just follow orders.

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We saw that during Covid too though. Look what happened across the country during Covid. Some either would come down from the governor and all the local cops, which is like robots enforce whatever they were told to do. That's the dark reality of law enforcement. People on the political right tend to be very ProLaw enforcement. But the reality is, is they're afraid to lose their jobs. And we saw that during Covid, they'll do the most absurd things because they're being told to out of fear of losing their jobs. And that was the whole point of oath. Keepers try to get them to stop doing that and start thinking about the orders are being given.

One thing about tilting At windmills, frankly tilting at windmills, I talked to plenty of prison guards who actually apologized to me. They're like, we know you're not. You shouldn't be here. We know you're a political prisoner. We know you're innocent. We're sorry you're here. But they still would've shot me if I tried to jump over the fence. So the reality is, folks, this is the dark reality is human nature as you see throughout history, is to go along and get along, especially when your job's at stake. That's why the founders didn't want professional police or professional military. That's why they wanted a militia of the people. But people in today's world are just too frigging lazy to get off their couch and go fulfill their duty, to take care of their own security. They would prefer to leave it to professionals. And so you get what you asked for. Sorry, I'm kind of a bitter mood today, so my apologies.

Ed Bonderenka (20:03):

Oh no, I can't hardly sense that at all.

Katelyn Mervar(20:07):

It's understandable. What Been? It's so true. It's so true.

Stewart Rhodes (20:11):

Which is true. Now look the upside. So that's the dark side. The upside is that now more Americans are awake than ever before. I think that is true. The mask came off in 2020 and 2021 throughout the Biden administration. So we are far stronger. The MAGA movement is now far stronger than it was. And so we have to take the strength and push. Like TR Evans said to me when I first saw him outside the DC jail on January 20th when I got out of prison, he said, we've taken the high ground, but now we've got to push him into the sea. And that's the right attitude. We got to push. So we got to like myself, I can't be so angry and bitter at the failures of the past. I got to focus on the strengths we do have. What we have now is I believe the MAGA base is rock solid.

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I think President Trump is rock solid. So I think at the very top we got solid courage and resilience at the base at the bottom, we have a lot of courage and resilience of deep faith in the MA movement. But in the middle got all these politicians and all these talking heads and all these celebrities who make a lot of money. They're grifters. They grift off of you. They grift off of the Maga cause they grift off of President Trump. That's the problem we have is all the ones in between. It's not the base, it's not him, it's the posers in between and it's the hard part. It's farting them out.

Ed Bonderenka (21:43):

After the break, we're going to take calls at 734 822 1600. I'd be happy to entertain calls and comments and questions. Yes, as you were talking, I was thinking, yes, as you alluded to Covid, and that's just the Biden administration, but Covid, which in fact brought us the Biden administration, it just opened everybody's eyes. All of a sudden they're seeing, this is not novel to me, but everybody saw the kids getting indoctrinated on Zoom calls to school like, whoa, what are you watching? What? What's going on here? And that's when people started getting upset. But at the same time, you had the Biden administration in effect sending the FBI after them when they're going to the parent teachers meetings and the councils, the city councils and the school boards complain about what's going on. I got to the point where there's a chain here called Menards.

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I won't shop there anymore until they apologize for having the security guards breaking legs for people who wouldn't wear masks. When I would go into a Home Depot without a mask and I might get a few looks from other customers, but I didn't get harassed. And so I look at doctors and I look at police officers with some skepticism. I mean, I honor the profession, but I question whether or not the person who's in the profession actually has my best interests at heart. It used to be always look for a cop. You can trust a cop. Not anymore. He may shoot you because you didn't put a mask on or a doctor may let you die. Or we've talked to people before on this show who basically, a doctor did not want to give Ivermectin because he'd lose his job. And then they have a respirator down his throat when he specifically said, don't. And he died

Stewart Rhodes (23:44):

Some much for the Hippocratic oath. So that doctor's highest loyalty is supposed to be to do no harm. And yet he set that aside because he was worried about his job.

Ed Bonderenka (23:54):

Yeah. Yep. Okay, so this one doctor, he says exactly what he said, I have a family to feed. And with the whole socialized healthcare system that we have now, every doctor's an employee who responds to some woke healthcare organization who tells them what to do, and he can no longer be that independent contractor who's going to look out for his client base.

 

Stewart Rhodes (24:18):

That's a good Excuse.

Ed Bonderenka (24:21):

I guess I don't want to keep going negative here. We've got 30 seconds Left.

Katelyn Mervar(24:25):

It's always right to do right. And it's always wrong to do wrong no matter what.

Stewart Rhodes (24:30):

That's Right. Exactly Right.

Ed Bonderenka (24:32):

And that was Katelyn Mervar. She's of course MAGA Mouse. And we're talking to Stewart Rhodes and you're going to come back after the break and perhaps even call in and talk to us. Come on back.

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Well, welcome back to Your American Heritage. Joining us today are Stewart Rhodes, president of Oath Keepers, founder of Oath Keepers and was at the Capitol, wasn't in the Capitol, was in Washington DC on January 6th. And we'll talk about that. And then subsequently spent some time in prison for it. And then were also joined by Katelyn Mervar, who's of MAGA Mouse, and she's going to talk about a campaign that she has to return the rights to the other January 6th Patriots who were still commuted and not pardoned. We started to talk about how you founded Oath Keepers and the comeback music. We must be courageous. And you don't join the army if you’re not courageous. You were a ranger, right?

Stewart Rhodes (26:12):

No, I was a long ranger reconnaissance scout. That's what I did.

Ed Bonderenka (26:16):

Okay, alright.

Stewart Rhodes (26:17):

Similar. I did a lot of the same kind of training, but that was not a ranger.

Ed Bonderenka (26:20):

You don't do that without being courageous. And that courage went on through your life and you stepped up and did this and that volunteer firefighter. Firefighter and then founded Oath Keepers because you saw a need there and you weren't afraid to do it. And I still don't have any problem. They're not the right wing. I've never seen them as the right wing paramilitary organization that they're portrayed as.

One thing that you were talking about in your incarceration. This has bothered me about a number of the J six prisoners that I've talked to and a number have talked about the diesel therapy driven from here to there and here to there. But the solitary confinement, I mean that has always been reserved for the troublemakers, the people who did something that need to be removed from the gen pop for. And it turns out no, it's just a form of torture that “we're going to lean on you with so that you will sign this piece of paper so you'll break and get out”. How did you see yourself through those times of solitary confinement? How did you not go nuts? I don't know how. I mean take my phone away for five minutes anymore. I'm like fidgety.

Stewart Rhodes (27:34):

Well, first of all, I saw myself as a prisoner of war. I figured that we're fighting against, we know it was a coup. 2020 was a coup. I call it the covid coup. And that election was not just stolen, it was also illegal and unconstitutional.

 

So I know I'm fighting against domestic enemies of the Constitution. And so when they took me captive and put me in chains and drug me in front of themselves and judged me to be so violent and so dangerous that my priors were speeding tickets my entire life, age 56, that time I'd only had speeding tickets, never been arrested or charged a crime in my life. And yet I was denied pretrial release and thrown in the solitary confinement. So I saw myself as a prisoner of war. They were trying to break me. So I'm not going to let my enemies break me. I'm not going to give 'em the satisfaction of seeing me break. And that's what they wanted to do. And we had other guys that did break. They dishonored themselves, pled guilty to this conspiracy, which further the lie. Exactly. If you plead guilty to something and you know it as a lie, you're furthering the lie. And like Solzhenitsyn told us, live not by lies.

First Line of resistance is don't participate in a lie. Every dictatorship feeds on lies. That's what sustains them. In fact, it's all, it sustains them as lies. And so the truth is the best way to fight. So I refuse to let them break me. I refuse to. Of course, once they plead out, then they also bear false witness. These two guys that pled out in my organization, they for false witness against me and signed a false stack of lies statement saying that I applauded since November to attack the capitol on January the sixth, absolute stack of lies. And the ultimate goal was was to put President Trump in prison or to disqualify him under the 14th Amendment from being able to hold office. None of us had any communication with President Trump. None of us had any plan to enter the capitol on January the sixth.

(29:30):

It's just a complete stack of lies. But some guys signed onto it through corrosion. So that's the first thing is I saw myself as a prisoner of war and just as in the military, you're taught you should never cooperate with the enemy if you're ever taken, that's one of the major no-nos for a service member. You do not cooperate with the enemy. You don't sign like John McCain did when you sign a confession to the North Vietnamese saying that he was guilty of war crimes and his unit was guilty of war crimes and he went on Northview Vietnamese radio doing broadcast to that effect, that's treason as far as I'm concerned. I don't care if he was a prisoner. And you get people that are get mad at me like, oh, you don't know what it's like. Well now I know what it's like. And it didn't break a lot of other guys.

(30:10):

Didn't break either the other 14. That's what I'm saying. All the 14 that went to trial and that's why we were commuted I think is because we're the ones that were the most loyal, refused to sign on to any confessions, refused to turn against President Trump. And I think we're being punished frankly for that loyalty. I think there's deep staters still inside the machine, inside the system that are around President Trump who did not want that big lie to be totally destroyed by pardoning all of us. It helps to sustain the big lie because we're still convicted sedition, I'm a convicted sedition. Everywhere I go, someone can say, well, look at that guy. He is a convicted sedition. But back to your question, so one was I'm a prisoner of war. Second my faith. I know that what man means for evil God can use for good. Look at the story of Joseph. So look at the story of Esther. So things that people mean for evil, God will use for good. And I think that's what happened in the long run. I knew that as long as I stuck it out and kept my faith that this would be turned to good eventually. And I still have that conviction. It's rough sometimes, but you have to keep focusing on the good that can come out of it. And that's what I think we need to do. Now,

Ed Bonderenka (31:29):

I've talked to some of the other Jan six prisoners, Katelyn and I have interviewed, they opened up a can of worms. It's like once again, the movie The Usual Suspects, the government throws these five guys together that don't know each other, maybe some by reputation. Next thing you know they're one of the most badass criminal elements out there as a team. Why? Because the government put them together in jail or overnight in jail and you guys go into prison and you make these alliances and you're battle hardened in jail and you come out and you're ready to work to better the system, to overturn the evil, to basically a lot of you came through by faith. So it's just like our militia at the founding, a bunch of guys who came out of the French and Indian Wars battle hardened and with their faith, they overthrew the British Empire. So we can overthrow the evil empire. I have a caller that I'd like to bring on. It's Walter. And since Walter calls so infrequently, I want to encourage him. Walter, are you still there?

Walter (32:37):

I never left.

Ed Bonderenka (32:40):

I have to ask you a Question. I'm going to do it in front of the entire audience. Walter, why don't you take my calls when I call you on the phone.

Walter (32:47):

My phone bad, I just happened to get your text messages late. You know why you're not the only one. My phone eh, we're not going there

Ed Bonderenka (32:57):

Fair.  I just had to bring it up. Okay, so I've known Walter for years.

Walter (33:00):

I got your phone number, I'll call you. I want to get to the point here with my question, comment.

Ed Bonderenka  (33:07):

Go ahead.

Walter (33:08):

I want to know, I believe his name is Stewart. I just kind of came in on the tail end. I was telling Derek, but understanding he was one of the January 6th or locked up by Joe Biden. That's right. I said, Joe Biden, you can't tell me. And all the Democrats had to be behind it. I'm surprised that until this very day we is not all still outraged. What happened to Americans protesting on January 6th? The Democrat party go to go to go-to day. I'm surprised they don't still talk about it. It was used partly to steal the election from Trump and all that. Well, prior to that, COVID were used to steal the election. I'll say right now, I got courage. Joe Biden stole that election. The Democrats stole the election from Trump. He should have been our president. I'm not too afraid to speak out that.

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And by the way, I was in Walmart, no, Sam's Club recently. I had my big Trump hat my Trump hat on and I'm a black guy. I'm a black guy. I walked up in there and I had an angry stare from a black guy and a white guy. And when they do that, I hold my head down so they can see them. Big Trump words on there. And believe you me, I never took my eyes off of both of 'em. And I'll tell you what, I grew a raggedy looking beard that make me look more intimidating these days. That's right. A scraggly looking beard. And I never wore a beard. And that kind of gets me out of some of my dangers sometimes. But I tell you what, I did not keep my eyes off of those guys. I like, oh, you can stare at my head all I don't care if you don't like my head. I'm aware. This is a free country so get the hell out of here. But they didn't say nothing. But I think right now it's one of the most dangerous times to where Trump had. And right now, Elon Musk, I wish get some Elon Musk hats. I just want to provoke some of those, the adversaries. But I can't believe I want to ask them a question real quick

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 Did You once feel betrayed by the Republicans that was in Congress, who to me never spoke with urgency about the plight of what you guys went through? And I noticed that the whole time, very sel. Did any of them, with the exception of a few like Ted Cruz and the other ones, the big shots, I never heard 'em speak hardly ever about the January Sixers and never heard them come out against our colleagues on the other side. When they say colleagues on the other side, they're not serious about nothing. Did he feel betrayed by the Republicans fact?

Stewart Rhodes (35:42):

Ted Cruz condemned us too. There's a video of him out there coming into a, I forgot what event it think it was cpac. He comes into a conference that's going on about January six. He says they all got a due process and they got what they deserve. Basically. I can't quote 'em exactly, but almost all the politicians completely turned their back on us. Which like I said, I trust President Trump. I trust the MAGA base in between. My default is, hey, politicians are the way they are for a reason. Almost all of them are there for grift. They're there for their own personal power and wealth. They're not there to serve the country. And most of 'em

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Are cowards, frankly. So very few exceptions. Louis Gomer IS an exception. I know Louis Gomer here in Texas, I've actually protected him on some security details. He stood up for us. Clay Higgins spoke up. Think Margorie Taylor Green spoke up for us at least when it came to the conditions of the jail. But very, very few. Most of 'em they don't care about. They don't care about you. They don't care about most Americans. And that came out, if you don't care about what happens to J Sixers, you don't care about Americans either. I'll tell you what, right now they don't care about you either household. They'll tell what you wanted for an election, but when it comes right down to it, nope. They don't care about you.

Katelyn Mervar(37:03):

Republicans name only,

Stewart Rhodes (37:06):

Right? Well, the uni party.

Ed Bonderenka (37:09):

Walter, thanks for calling. We've got some other callers and I want to let Katelyn speak for a bit. She has something she wanted to talk about. Katelyn.

Katelyn Mervar(37:17):

Yes. So we can talk about all of this, which is great because the stories need to continue to come out. People need to see the horrendous treatment that the J sixes went through. It needs to be on the forefront of people's minds. I heard one person relate it to the Holocaust, how afterwards they would walk the people through to see what they allowed for on their watch. These stories have to continue to come out for people to wake up in one way. You can help whether you've been helping and you've been in the fight and maybe you're just tired now and taking a step back, or whether you haven't been involved at all or whether you're still on the forefront. We still need your help to get these final Patriots across that freedom line. And you can help by going to pardon the fourteen.com, that's pardon the fourteen.com and request some postcards that were sent to you for free.

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All you have to do is put a stamp on there that's your donation and sign your name and put your address, at least your city and state. And we're sending those all to the White House to President Trump because we know that he cares about we the people. I've been telling people my siblings and I would write to Trump the last few years at Mar-a-Lago when he wasn't even president. And nine out of 10 times he got back to us, we got something back in the mail from his team that they had received what we sent. I sent them the mega mouse newsletters and stuff and I would get something back thanking me for sending that to them. I sent them my mega mouse book. I got a call back thanking me for the book. My sister got something signed by President Trump, so he cares about we the people.

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So we just have to get these guys back in front of him. He said he was going to revisit their cases at some time, but we know he's got a lot of things in front of him. So it's easy for something to get pushed to the side. And we need these guys to be able to go on with their lives. Especially David, Michelle, the Patriot I've been working with who's also an oath keeper. He has got a young family he's trying to provide for and he can't do that right now without having that pardon in. So one way you can help these guys is go to Pardon in the fourteen.com request some postcards. We'll send them to you for free. And all you have to do is get people to sign their name and get those in the mail.

Ed Bonderenka (39:24):

Was David Lego man?

Katelyn Mervar(39:27):

No, that's Robert Morris.

Ed Bonderenka (39:28):

Okay. I thought you said Robert Morris. I was getting confused there for a second. That happens.

Katelyn Mervar(39:33):

David Rochelle,

Ed Bonderenka (39:34):

Thank you. Oh, David Rochelle, I'm sorry. Yes,

Ed Bonderenka (39:41):

If people go to Magamouse.com, they can find the link to pardon the fourteen.com. They're also right so they can remember one or the other and it'll get them. And I want to mention, Stuart, you were saying something during the break about the influence that this had, the Mega mouse campaign, so to speak, that Caitlyn's been. Would you speak to that?

Stewart Rhodes (40:05):

Yeah, well hey, I was in for three years and I would get oftentimes get our newsletters and they were awesome. It was a huge boost, not just to myself but to other inmates. So I'd pass 'em around.

Ed Bonderenka (40:18):

Okay, well we have a call from Mark and Go ahead. Sorry.

Katelyn Mervar(40:22):

I was going to say more times than not, you guys blessed us and we were always so humbled by that. The letter is just anything we got from you guys in prison, us. I know my siblings and I were so challenged these last few years of what you guys endure. You do it a lot of it with a smile, with some joy. I know you had some bad days. I know every day this just perfect, wonderful day, but yet you guys taught us, like you said, that you can go through and not break that it can be done, that we can overcome. And so what a testimony you guys were to that generation, like my generation, that we can overcome hard things and life's not fair, but that's okay. If we're in Christ, we have it all. And you proved that to me and my siblings these last few years.

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And so my generation thanks you guys because you showed us that you can be against the odds and you can overcome and ultimately it's God. It's God who gave you that strength. I know that we know that we would not be in this place today if it were not for God turning our nation around. And so we just remember each and every day we get up that we're living and answered prayer as I had one J six to describe it each and every day. This is a miracle that we've come as far as we have in such a short time as a nation. And I think when we get bogged down on some of this discouragement and it just feels like we're not getting anywhere, we have to remember how far we've come and how far God's brought us as a nation.

Stewart Rhodes (41:52):

Yes, I agree. Like I said, we're far stronger now than we were in 2020. And so what they meant for evil, God is used for good.

Ed Bonderenka (42:02):

Amen. Let's hear from Mark from Dearborn about it. He has a question. So Mark, are you still there?

Mark from Dearborn (42:08):

Oh, yes I am.

Ed Bonderenka (42:11):

Oh, go ahead with your question, sir. Thanks for calling.

Mark from Dearborn (42:14):

Oh. Oh, I thought I can hear in the distance the radio. But anyways, I wanted to just thank you for taking my call and I wanted to ask a question for Stewart. And what it was is I had followed Oath Keepers and firmly believe and support in 'em, but I never understood what the Proud Boys were. And is that a legitimate group or was that a, I don't know.

Stewart Rhodes (42:47):

Yes, we've actually worked with the Proud Boys across the country to protect Trump supporters, including in downtown Berkeley, California, Portland, Oregon, other hotspots. And so yes, they're a legitimate group and some good people.

Mark from Dearborn 43:03):

Oh good, good. Yeah, I just really wondered because there was so much, I don't follow the regular media and I keep tabs on things.

Katelyn Mervar (43:12):

Good for you.

Speaker 7 (43:13):

Completely different. Don't blame you. That's right. Look, both groups, thank you for everything you've done. Groups were targeted. I'd need another half hour to keep asking questions, but thank you.

Stewart Rhodes (43:27):

Okay, you're welcome. Well thanks. Yeah, both groups were targeted with a huge smear campaign to make January the sixth look as bad as possible. They created a fake conspiracy between me and Enrique Tar absurd. And we had met the night of the fifth. I said hello to him in a parking garage and I walked, I said hello and then walked away to give him privacy in his conversation. And yet they twisted that into some kind of planning meeting for the attack on the capitol. It's just complete garbage. But out of the gate, that was the narrative that Oath and Proud boys were following Trump's orders, these two scary groups of the left likes to make look extreme. And they call it oath Keepers, one of the most violent right-wing, malicious. We're completely nonviolent. I mean we have the capacity for violence, but in all the operations we did with security, not once do we ever even have to use force because Antifa just doesn't want to dance.

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They were afraid of us. So it's just absurd nonsense. And the same kind of sear campaign was used against the proud boys. Now the proud boys like to fight. They're street fighters. They go out there. We're a little different tactic. We tend to be more of the quiet professionals and we're only just focused on protecting our protectees and let them run their mouth. The proud boys, they're a little different. They want to go out in the street and mix it up. I don't blame 'em. They get tired of all the crap, all the nonsense, and they lose their patience. But on the balance, they're good myth.

Ed Bonderenka (44:51):

Alright, well we have a call from Joe from Wyandotte. So Joe, are you there? Joe Lenard, the author of Terror Strikes.

Joe Lenard  (45:00):

Yes, thank you. Thank you. I wrote a Substack piece about purpose of evasion, which of course we know that is about. And all the left, including CINOs and RINOs, they are not conservative, Constitutional Republicans, willfully, purposefully, malice a forethought, put their hand on the Bible and swear without purpose of evasion knowing so well, that in and of itself is an evasion on their part. They have no intent to uphold their oath.

Stewart Rhodes (45:36):

Yep, that's right. Yes. And that's all right.

Joe Lenard  (45:43):

Obvious. Take care, God bless.

Stewart Rhodes (45:46):

Yeah, that's the dark truth. The vast majority of them, when they raise their hand, they don't mean it. Their fingers are crossed behind their back. They're getting into that position. They're just saying the words you get in the position of power to make money and increase their power. Yeah, that's the truth. What you've got to do them accountable too. Well, what you got to do, I told people yesterday, you should only support someone for office who has shown somewhere in their life where they have put themselves at risk and stood up and took the heat and did the right thing. Like here in Texas, a good example is Shelly Luther. She's a lady who had a hair salon who refused to close her hair salon during the Covid lockdowns or in Texas. And she was arrested for contempt of court because she refused to shut her hair salon and she went to jail. And so she's now in the state legislature. So she proved up. That's what you need to see. And that's what I told people. I believe that's the criteria. You don't have time to mess around anymore. Don't support someone from political office just because they say the right things, the right platitudes. Where in their life can you see courage

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Under pressure? If you can't see it, find someone else. Find someone that has done that, go find the person. And frankly, you should go find the person that doesn't want political power.

That's The one you got to recruit to run for office. The ones who self-select for office tend to be doing it for selfish reasons and they will mask that behind a lie.

Ed Bonderenka (47:14):

Yeah, we've seen, well, I think Jake Lang is running for Senate right now. In fact, I think I outed him in an interview. He just got out and I said, are you going to run for our house? And he says, I'll talk about that shortly. And I think a lot of you guys have the cred to do that.

Derek, where are we at in time? I think we're fast approaching it. You don't have a minute and a half sign. There's the minute sign. So we have been talking to Stewart Rhodes and we've been talking to Katelyn Mervar and we've been talking about issues concerning the Jan six prisoners. And one more time, Katelyn…

Katelyn Mervar(47:50):

Pardon the fourteen.com. Please go on there today. It's pardon the fourteen.com

Request your free postcards to send to President Donald J. Trump. Do something. Don't just listen. Be a doer. We need doers out on the front lines.

Ed Bonderenka (48:03):

20 second prayer, Caitlin, it's on you.

Katelyn Mervar(48:05):

Lord Jesus, we know that if this nation is going to be great, we must be godly again. I pray that our nation would repent and turn back to you. I pray for more bold men and women to stand in the gap for freedom. And we pray for these final J six Patriots to be pardoned. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.

Ed Bonderenka (48:21):

Just in time! Amen. Folks, come on back again for your American heritage. We'll see you next week. Thanks guys.

Stewart Rhodes (48:27):

Take care.